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Old requirements need to remain accessible


I noticed you moved the old requirements out of the Cub Scout ranks. These should remain accessible as there is no requirement to transition on June 1, the requirement is "June 1". . . "or later if they do not run a year-round program" (per the BSA FAQ).

Many Pack's run with the school year and in many places the school year runs into June. For example, my Pack year won't end until the 13th of June, some may go until nearly the end of June or beyond depending on their school year. We won't change to the new requirements until that date.

I would do something with this myself but I just came here for quick check of the requirements and I'm frequently confused by where they transclude from and will have to spend more time than I have right now looking for them.

BTW, your 'leave me a message' button does not work, it links to your old talk page which is not registered to you anymore.--Doug 17:36, June 7, 2015 (EDT)

Thanks, I'll be able to fix that on Wednesday, probably. I'm at Scout camp now, bad internet. Edit: Doug, you have admin privileges, so you have the right to change them. Just look at the regular page like Wolf Scout and at the bottom of the requirements section it says something like (and, forgive me, this is from memory): "Only an administrator can edit these requirements..." and the word edit is underlined and a link. Click on it and it will take you to the appropriate edit page. BartHumphries 23:49, June 7, 2015 (EDT)

Reply requested

Hi Bart! Thanks for leaving a note on User talk:GoingBatty. I replied there, but wasn't sure you were watching it. Could you please reply to my questions there? Thanks! GoingBatty 20:19, November 1, 2015 (EST)

Replied there. BartHumphries 03:55, November 3, 2015 (EST)

Thanks for making all the changes I requested. Keep up the great work! GoingBatty 11:01, November 4, 2015 (EST)

Removal of old Webelos Acitvity Pins

Bart, My Webelos are currently using the old program to complete as all current Webelos 2 Scouts can elect to do. Can we please roll back the Webelos pages until at least March when they truly will no longer be relevant & active. I'm going to work on compiling the old program requirements across all ranks for reference, but again, I don't think the Webelos stuff should go until the current cycle is complete as this was offered by BSA and many W2 dens directly reference the wiki here.

Thanks. Dpawlak 10:55, November 17, 2015 (EST)

You're right, boys who earned the Webelos rank before June 1, 2015 and who are now moving to the Arrow of Light rank may continue earning the old activity pins. Here's a link to the older version of the page: I don't believe we need a compilation of the old awards, given that there are, at most, only a few more months that boys may earn them, but feel free to work on that if you'd like. I think time might be better spent making guides and fast plans for the new adventures, since we don't have any yet. We also have no real guidelines or suggestions as to how to teach or learn the new adventures, and links to other websites would probably also be really useful.
I really don't think just linking to the old version is sufficient. Many users will not know how to find that. The page for Arrow of Light is similarly jumping the gun on removing the old requirements. I'm glad to roll the pages back if you'd like, but felt it might be wiser for you to do it--it seems you made a few other edits in between. This really seems the proper course for now, unless you have another suggestion for making the "still current" requirements accessible. Dpawlak 13:00, November 17, 2015 (EST)
How's Arrow of Light award? None of the previous Tiger/Wolf/Bear badges are valid, all boys of those ages must use the new requirements. BartHumphries 03:04, November 18, 2015 (EST)
That works nicely. Cheers, mate. Dpawlak 13:16, November 18, 2015 (EST)
After poking around a bit, I decided to dive in and do some tidying up. I added some links to the old pins & worksheets so people can find them, and have them noted so they can be removed next March when those items are truly deprecated. I've watched those pages to remind myself to revisit them at that time. Dpawlak 17:22, November 18, 2015 (EST)
Please remember, only boys who already earned their Webelos badge may still earn those. They're not appropriate for Wolf, Bear, or boys who are working on their Webelos badge. :) BartHumphries 18:21, November 18, 2015 (EST)

What's the right way to resolve redlink templates?

Hi Bart! There are many pages that transclude the redlink Template:CSA See also and many pages that transclude the redlink Template:Cub Scout Adventures navbox (e.g. Webelos Adventure: Webelos Walkabout). What's the right way to resolve this issue? Thanks! GoingBatty 12:18, March 21, 2016 (EDT)

Either remove the link from each page that it appears on, or create the template. Edit: I just created a navbox. I anticipated that there might be something which would be nice to link to from all Cub Scout adventure pages in the "See also" category. So I included that when creating the pages so that it would be less work to add it in down the road. :) BartHumphries 15:38, March 21, 2016 (EDT)

Scout Badge

This image, Image:BoyScout2016.png should go on that page. evrik 12:17, July 20, 2016 (EDT)

Done, thank you! :) BartHumphries 13:02, July 20, 2016 (EDT)

Rank pins

How can I add these images to the corresponding rank pages?

Thanks! evrik 13:04, July 20, 2016 (EDT)

Just add the image the same way you normally would. Where on the page are you planning on putting them? BartHumphries 13:42, July 20, 2016 (EDT)
The pages were locked to me until a few minutes ago. I'll give it a try later. evrik 14:12, July 20, 2016 (EDT)
Did it work? :) BartHumphries 16:19, April 15, 2017 (EDT)

Thanks! evrik 14:46, February 16, 2019 (EST)

Great! :) BartHumphries 09:22, February 23, 2019 (EST)

Webelos/AoL elective Castaway/Getaway name did not change - rollback request

Bart, Hello. Can you please rollback the move/rename of the Webelos/AoL Adventure Castaway/Getaway. At one point, BSA had in a document outlining the program update that the name of the adventure was changing from Castaway to Getaway, but that was subsequently learned to be erroneously included. The adventure's name is Castaway as confirmed by both the official Addendum to Program published in December, 2016, and by Scoutbook which has documented that the adventure's name is unchanged.

Thanks! Dan Pawlak

Done, I think I got it everywhere. Thanks! :) BartHumphries 16:20, April 15, 2017 (EDT)

Youth Protection only good for one year?

I saw changes made on Oct. 10, 2017 to the youth protection page that say that youth protection training is only good for one year rather than two years. While I have heard (but don't know) that some councils have adopted that policy, I have not been able to find anything from the National Office that states that the national policy has changed from requiring YPT every two years. I didn't spot any citation on the YP page for it either (maybe I missed it?). Any chance you could add a citation referring to the communication from the National Office that confirms that change? Thanks. nicouds 19:03, November 4, 2017 (EDT)

I emailed National and asked about it. Apparently it's two years, although some councils now require every year. BartHumphries 18:29, November 10, 2017 (EST)

National Honor Patrol Award

I've created a worksheet to help my patrol leaders track their progress toward earning the National Honor Patrol Award. I wouls love to share it with everyone who visits your site. How can I send it to you? -Howarthe 18:39, December 16, 2017 (EST)

Sent, received, uploaded. Feel free to edit the name or position/location of them as appropriate. :) BartHumphries 15:26, December 18, 2017 (EST)


The LDS Church made their announcement on May 11, 2017 that they would drop out of Varsity and Venturing. The VarsityDiscontinued templates states "In March 2017". nicouds 19:50, February 10, 2018 (EST)

Thanks, fixed! :) BartHumphries 22:58, February 10, 2018 (EST)

Small Boat Handler

It looks like there are two pages Small Boat Handler and Small Boat Handler Course with content that appears to be intended to be the same (not withstanding your update today to Small Boat Handler. Perhaps there should be one page for the Small Boat Handler award and one for the course, although it sounds like completing the course earns one the award. There is also a detailed document for the Small Boat Handler Bar. Also, according to the Small-Boat Handler Course Outline document (dated 9/6/16), there is an additional "Paddlecraft" portion in the new Boat Handling Section (Section Three) and there is a NOTE at the end. nicouds 18:24, February 12, 2018 (EST)

Thanks -- I redirected the Course page to the Small Boat Handler page, updated that page, and added an image. Someone should make it into a proper award page. ;) BartHumphries 19:12, February 12, 2018 (EST)

International Spirit Award

Regarding your Nov. 9, 2017 change to the International Spirit Award to note that it is a discontinued award, it is still shown on ( The requirements were updated in 2015 and the application for the award was last modified in October 2017. does not note that it is discontinued. Is this a mistake or is there an indication elsewhere to validate that it is discontinued? I updated the requirements template to the latest before I noticed that the award was marked "discontinued". — nicouds 16:41, February 16, 2018 (EST)

It neither available at nor at my local Council shop. Have you seen confirmation that the award is still available from the International Department? BartHumphries 21:24, February 16, 2018 (EST)

User BartHumphries has been promoted to Bureaucrat status.

New Bureaucrat: BartHumphries

User BartHumphries has been promoted to Bureaucrat status. —RWSmith (Bureaucrat), 14:48, April 2, 2018 (EDT)

Religious Emblems

Regarding your reversion and changes to Religious Emblems page you made on October 26, 2018 and your note to me on that same date about them, I wrote a response. — Nicouds 00:40, October 31, 2018 (EDT)

Responded there. Thanks! :) BartHumphries 12:01, November 1, 2018 (EDT)

Historical aviation-related merit badges

As near as I can tell, all discontinued merit badges, except for the Aviation-related discontinued ones, show the historical requirements for those merit badges. I think it is useful and educational to retain the historical information on discontinued merit badges. However, the aviation-related discontinued merit badges (Aviation (original), Aerodynamics, Aeronautics, Airplane Design, Airplane Structure) all redirect to the Aviation (current) merit badge. I want to revert back the redirects on those aviation-related discontinued merit badges to restore visibility to the historical requirements, but wanted to discuss with you first since you were the one who added the redirects back in 2016. Would you object if I reverted them back?
Nicouds 08:50, November 9, 2018 (EST)

I'd be ok with that. I think the problem was that there was some confusion between what was the current merit badge and what was a historical (discontinued) merit badge. For those, it might be better to just host their requirements on one page to show how they changed over time. For instance:
<div style="border:solid 2px black; margin:0.3em; padding:0.2em;">
: '''Aviation (original) requirements'''
: {{Template:Aviation (original)/req}}
: '''Aerodynamics requirements'''
: {{Template:Aerodynamics/req}}
: '''Aeronautics requirements'''
: {{Template:Aeronautics/req}}
would make:
Aviation (original) requirements
  1. Have a knowledge of the theory of aeroplanes, balloons, and dirigibles.
  2. Have made a working model of an {27} aeroplane or dirigible that will fly at least twenty-five yards; and have built a box kite that will fly.
  3. Have a knowledge of the engines used for aeroplanes and dirigibles, and be able to describe the various types of aeroplanes and their records.

Boy Scout Handbook, 1911 Edition The official source for the information shown in this article or section is:
Boy Scout Handbook, 1911 Edition

Aerodynamics requirements
  1. Show that air has weight and pressure, using as an improvised barometer, a sauce dish or pan and a tall cylindrical glass of water; (b) explain variations in air due to altitude, and point out some resulting problems for engines, for flight path hazards, and for the pilot himself.
  2. Demonstrate Bernoulli's law that air speed reduces pressure, using a spool and a small card, or a tube and a ping pong ball.
  3. Build a six-inch airfoil wing section of 5-inch chord and high left cambers, and mount and demonstrate with it the principle of lift; (b) Submit with explainations, a rough diagram used in explaining to another Scout the Aeronauticsd Merit Badge outline of the positive forces of Thrust and Lift and the negative forces of Gravity and Drag.
  4. Build three drag demonstration airfoils of same cross-section width - cube, cylinder, "streamline" - using a cylindrical oatmeal box, some cardboard, paper and glue; (b) improvise small easy-rolling 4-wheel support to demonstrate air resistance of the airfoils in an air current.
  5. Build and demonstrate the use of small, simple wind tunnel to provide controlled air current; OR build and demonstrate a simple air speed measuring device.
  6. Build a rubberband powered flying model airplane of some type new to the builder, and fly in some competition. (Kit may be used.)
  7. Draw rough side-view outline of monoplane and use in explaining the "angle of attack" (British - angle of incidence); (b) demonstrate why an air stream action enables "control surfaces" to control the direction of the plane; (c) review what stick-and-pedal-action alters which control surfaces.
  8. Indicate six or more ways for a pilot, about to land, to identify wind direction; (b) explain the relative plus and minus air speed advantages of taking-off and landing into the wind; (c) explain the aerodynamics of stalling.
  9. Test the relative speeds in an air current of two propellers of approximately the same diameter qnd blade area, but of different pitch; (b) point out the advantages of the modern variable pitch propeller.

Boy Scout Requirements, ({{{1}}}) Edition The official source for the information shown in this article or section is:
Handbook for Boys, 1948 Edition
Aeronautics requirements
1. Point out on rough diagrams or on photographs, the outstanding differences in design of full scale planes used for five rather widely different purposes - such as first training, commercial transport, seaplanes on northern lakes, clippers, pursuit or others.
2. Measure the silhouettes of five modern full scale planes and record range of variation in the ration of wing span to chord (aspect ration); also in wing area as compared to stabilizer-elevator area.
3. Show design differences in camber of wings for high life and for high speed - use rough sketches to explain reasons.
4. (a) Find approximate location of center of gravity in a flying model, and explain why a low center of gravity contributes to parasol stability; (b) if a model plan is balanced and wings of same chord, but of added span and weight were substituted at same structural points, tell what the plan would then tend to do in flight.
5. Show by rough sketches why dihedrals, sweep-backs and relatively high wings tend to give model stability in flight.
6. Build, test and report flight performances of two flying models of same general size, but of quite different design. For the test, use same power plant and propeller. If desired, the Scout may build but one of the two test planes, matching it against one he or his friends have, AND then offer as the second of the two to be built, an original unconventional or experimental flying model.
7. Prepare approximate or rough scale drawings of the two models used in the tests of Requirement 6, and point out the principle design differences.
8. Fly one or more of the Scout's own model planes in competition involving not less than four planes.
9. Measure four flying model planes of Requirement 8 and present Counselor with their comparative flight records and a list of their wing shapes and of their following design rations:
(a) wing span to mean chord;
(b) wing span to propeller diameter;
(c) wing span to fuselage length;
(d) dihedral in inches per foot of span;
(e) wing load in ounces per square inch;
(f) maximum wing camber to chord.
Boy Scout Requirements, ({{{1}}}) Edition The official source for the information shown in this article or section is:
Handbook for Boys, 1948 Edition
Which could be more useful because all of the additional stuff on the page "this page has a free workbook for PAGENAME", etc., isn't useful at this point. But I don't mind if you revert those pages. :) BartHumphries 11:19, November 9, 2018 (EST)

latest workbooks

I replied to your message to me at User_talk:Nicouds. — Nicouds 14:55, February 15, 2019 (EST)

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