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I would like people's thought on adding the 1963 version of "Lilies of the Field" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilies_of_the_Field_(1963_film) to the list.
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==Movie standards==
==Movie standards==
Is it really useful to have links to movies? And if it is, is it a good idea to recommend R movies such as Passion of the Christ, Braveheart,Schindler's List, or The Patriot? [[User:Epmatsw|Epmatsw]] 15:35, June 17, 2007 (EDT)
Is it really useful to have links to movies? And if it is, is it a good idea to recommend R movies such as Passion of the Christ, Braveheart,Schindler's List, or The Patriot? [[User:Epmatsw|Epmatsw]] 15:35, June 17, 2007 (EDT)
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:Agreed, and besides, this is Braveheart and The Passion, not Starship Troopers :P [[User:Swim4lyfe|Swim4lyfe]] 18:55, August 28, 2007 (EDT)
:Agreed, and besides, this is Braveheart and The Passion, not Starship Troopers :P [[User:Swim4lyfe|Swim4lyfe]] 18:55, August 28, 2007 (EDT)
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: well the requirment does say 'with approval of counselor and parent' , but I would still recommend removing any R rated movie as a suggestion. Most guys get plenty of those outside of scouts. After some discussion, a small group of our guys picked 'Pay it Forward', so I agree With including some PG13. --[[User:Garyww99|Garyww99]] 18:00, August 29, 2007 ''(Signature added to post... Please, always "sign" your posts on any "Talk" page by typing four tildes, like so: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) Thanks, --'''''[[User:RWSmith|RWSmith]]''''' ''[[MeritBadgeDotOrg:Sysop|(Sysop)]]'', 20:53, August 29, 2007 (EDT))''
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: well the requirement does say 'with approval of counselor and parent' , but I would still recommend removing any R rated movie as a suggestion. Most guys get plenty of those outside of scouts. After some discussion, a small group of our guys picked 'Pay it Forward', so I agree With including some PG13. --[[User:Garyww99|Garyww99]] 18:00, August 29, 2007 ''(Signature added to post... Please, always "sign" your posts on any "Talk" page by typing four tildes, like so: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) Thanks, --'''''[[User:RWSmith|RWSmith]]''''' ''[[MeritBadgeDotOrg:Sysop|(Sysop)]]'', 20:53, August 29, 2007 (EDT))''
::We're not talking about Saw or something: these are movies like Braveheart, which ranks as one of the top 100 movies ever made, and would definitely fulfill the requirement. As for the Passion: well, it's about Christ, which is extremely relevant, especially to a Christian Scout. [[User:Swim4lyfe|Swim4lyfe]] 20:33, August 29, 2007 (EDT)
::We're not talking about Saw or something: these are movies like Braveheart, which ranks as one of the top 100 movies ever made, and would definitely fulfill the requirement. As for the Passion: well, it's about Christ, which is extremely relevant, especially to a Christian Scout. [[User:Swim4lyfe|Swim4lyfe]] 20:33, August 29, 2007 (EDT)
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:::Can we set *some* sort of standard? The Patriot is rated R for bloodshed. It's greatly LESS offensive than the PG-13 rating that Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves has for sexuality. Maybe a brief note such as "R for violence" or "PG-13 for sexuality", etc. Frankly, I'm not too concerned with my 15-year old watching the violence in Rob Roy, but I'd never let him watch Robin Hood at his age. [[User:EagleForumFan|EagleForumFan]] 03:15, December 6, 2007 (EST)
:::Can we set *some* sort of standard? The Patriot is rated R for bloodshed. It's greatly LESS offensive than the PG-13 rating that Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves has for sexuality. Maybe a brief note such as "R for violence" or "PG-13 for sexuality", etc. Frankly, I'm not too concerned with my 15-year old watching the violence in Rob Roy, but I'd never let him watch Robin Hood at his age. [[User:EagleForumFan|EagleForumFan]] 03:15, December 6, 2007 (EST)
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:::I see a note about PG-13. Is that the standard that's being set? I think it's very difficult to use MPAA ratings as a standard because (a) they're not always consistent, and (b) the amount of sexual content allowable in a PG-13 movie can be appalling while a stray word, bloodshed, or religious content can earn a film an 'R'. I added ratings and very short commentary, then I linked Kids-in-Mind where possible rather than IMDB. KIM is a review site for parents that rates films in three pecific ways: Sex & Nudity, Violence & Gore, and Profanity. Parents can see at a glance whether a movie is appropriate for their child. As a parent, I'd rather see "borderline" movies listed, letting me and my Scout discuss and choose. [[User:EagleForumFan|EagleForumFan]]''
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:::I see a note about PG-13. Is that the standard that's being set? I think it's very difficult to use MPAA ratings as a standard because (a) they're not always consistent, and (b) the amount of sexual content allowable in a PG-13 movie can be appalling while a stray word, bloodshed, or religious content can earn a film an 'R'. I added ratings and very short commentary, then I linked Kids-in-Mind where possible rather than IMDB. KIM is a review site for parents that rates films in three specific ways: Sex & Nudity, Violence & Gore, and Profanity. Parents can see at a glance whether a movie is appropriate for their child. As a parent, I'd rather see "borderline" movies listed, letting me and my Scout discuss and choose. [[User:EagleForumFan|EagleForumFan]]''
:::: Is this the way it's going to be then? I see that 3 excellent movies (rated R for violence) were removed while some PG-13 that are sexual enough to make me fast forward are left. RW, would you PLEASE set the definitive standard? It cannot simply be by MPAA because many PG-13s are of considerably less worth than many Rs, and are greatly more offensive. To effectively let a body such as MPAA make the decision on the information provided here seems pretty contrary to the purpose. They are not exactly an example of brave, clean, OR reverent. I'm adding back in those that were pulled for now. Can you please write some set-in-stone guidelines so we don't have this 'discussion' every few weeks? [[User:EagleForumFan|EagleForumFan]] 05:56, February 16, 2008 (EST)
:::: Is this the way it's going to be then? I see that 3 excellent movies (rated R for violence) were removed while some PG-13 that are sexual enough to make me fast forward are left. RW, would you PLEASE set the definitive standard? It cannot simply be by MPAA because many PG-13s are of considerably less worth than many Rs, and are greatly more offensive. To effectively let a body such as MPAA make the decision on the information provided here seems pretty contrary to the purpose. They are not exactly an example of brave, clean, OR reverent. I'm adding back in those that were pulled for now. Can you please write some set-in-stone guidelines so we don't have this 'discussion' every few weeks? [[User:EagleForumFan|EagleForumFan]] 05:56, February 16, 2008 (EST)
::::: Let me ponder on this for a day, or so. BTW, I would welcome any additional input before we come to a consensus. &mdash;'''''[[User:RWSmith|RWSmith]]''''' ''[[MeritBadgeDotOrg:Bureaucrat|(Bureaucrat)]]'', 13:25, February 16, 2008 (EST)
::::: Let me ponder on this for a day, or so. BTW, I would welcome any additional input before we come to a consensus. &mdash;'''''[[User:RWSmith|RWSmith]]''''' ''[[MeritBadgeDotOrg:Bureaucrat|(Bureaucrat)]]'', 13:25, February 16, 2008 (EST)
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:::::: I suggest to stick with the requirement and that it states "with the approval or your counselor or parent" Let them decide which is right for their scout ... for they know exactly what 'that' scout can handle - every kid is different and every family is different. My son has seen most of the movies posted already including the Patriot and Prince of Thieves. I think that we have to remember the 'range' of ages (11yrs to 18yrs) that we are working with as well .. the older boys can handle the PG13 and R ratings. I would like to add Remember the Titans to the list too. [[User:Seikooc|Seikooc]] 18:03, April 1, 2008 (EDT)
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We now suggest literally dozens of movies ''(and links)'' rated no higher than PG-13. If the counselor wants the boys to watch something beyond PG-13, he should suggest that movie in consultation with the parents. But every counselor has had Scouts who watched a movie without waiting for counselor approval. This may be a 10 1/2 year old who has never before seen anything beyond PG-13. We do not want the allegation that the boy ended up watching a R-rated movie on the "pre-approved list." That is exactly what people call our list of movies. -- ''21:52, September 28, 2008 Milominderbinder2''
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: I would suggest removing Robin Hood. The nudity may be "brief", but it is graphic. It's also full of vulgarity, profanity, and sexuality (including the attempted rape of Marian). [[User:EagleForumFan|EagleForumFan]]
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::I would say remove it then. Like it not troops and even packs use this list as the "approved list" even though we never said that. The content has to be appropriate for a sheltered 5th grade boy scout or even a Cub Scout. &mdash; ''[[User:Milominderbinder2|Milominderbinder2]] [[MeritBadgeDotOrg:Sysop|(Sysop)]]'' 04:10, November 23, 2008 (EST)
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::I did not hear back from you but did research this movie and it is as you say, not appropriate. I removed it but added a half dozen other great PG movies to use instead. We now have well over 30 readily available movies with great themes and appropriate content.&mdash; ''[[User:Milominderbinder2|Milominderbinder2]] [[MeritBadgeDotOrg:Sysop|(Sysop)]]'' 17:04, November 24, 2008 (EST)

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I would like people's thought on adding the 1963 version of "Lilies of the Field" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilies_of_the_Field_(1963_film) to the list.

Movie standards

Is it really useful to have links to movies? And if it is, is it a good idea to recommend R movies such as Passion of the Christ, Braveheart,Schindler's List, or The Patriot? Epmatsw 15:35, June 17, 2007 (EDT)

I think it is useful. I know some scouts in my troop might pass off Napoleon Dynamite off for this requirement, so having examples definitely helps. As far as rated R movies, I think there needs to be a note put by those movies saying that they are rated R. It might not be a bad idea to put the rating of each movie next to the movie, as some scouts might not be allowed to watch a PG13 movie.--Wakleon 16:22, August 28, 2007 (EDT)
Agreed, and besides, this is Braveheart and The Passion, not Starship Troopers :P Swim4lyfe 18:55, August 28, 2007 (EDT)
well the requirement does say 'with approval of counselor and parent' , but I would still recommend removing any R rated movie as a suggestion. Most guys get plenty of those outside of scouts. After some discussion, a small group of our guys picked 'Pay it Forward', so I agree With including some PG13. --Garyww99 18:00, August 29, 2007 (Signature added to post... Please, always "sign" your posts on any "Talk" page by typing four tildes, like so: ~~~~) Thanks, --RWSmith (Sysop), 20:53, August 29, 2007 (EDT))
We're not talking about Saw or something: these are movies like Braveheart, which ranks as one of the top 100 movies ever made, and would definitely fulfill the requirement. As for the Passion: well, it's about Christ, which is extremely relevant, especially to a Christian Scout. Swim4lyfe 20:33, August 29, 2007 (EDT)
Can we set *some* sort of standard? The Patriot is rated R for bloodshed. It's greatly LESS offensive than the PG-13 rating that Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves has for sexuality. Maybe a brief note such as "R for violence" or "PG-13 for sexuality", etc. Frankly, I'm not too concerned with my 15-year old watching the violence in Rob Roy, but I'd never let him watch Robin Hood at his age. EagleForumFan 03:15, December 6, 2007 (EST)


I see a note about PG-13. Is that the standard that's being set? I think it's very difficult to use MPAA ratings as a standard because (a) they're not always consistent, and (b) the amount of sexual content allowable in a PG-13 movie can be appalling while a stray word, bloodshed, or religious content can earn a film an 'R'. I added ratings and very short commentary, then I linked Kids-in-Mind where possible rather than IMDB. KIM is a review site for parents that rates films in three specific ways: Sex & Nudity, Violence & Gore, and Profanity. Parents can see at a glance whether a movie is appropriate for their child. As a parent, I'd rather see "borderline" movies listed, letting me and my Scout discuss and choose. EagleForumFan
Is this the way it's going to be then? I see that 3 excellent movies (rated R for violence) were removed while some PG-13 that are sexual enough to make me fast forward are left. RW, would you PLEASE set the definitive standard? It cannot simply be by MPAA because many PG-13s are of considerably less worth than many Rs, and are greatly more offensive. To effectively let a body such as MPAA make the decision on the information provided here seems pretty contrary to the purpose. They are not exactly an example of brave, clean, OR reverent. I'm adding back in those that were pulled for now. Can you please write some set-in-stone guidelines so we don't have this 'discussion' every few weeks? EagleForumFan 05:56, February 16, 2008 (EST)
Let me ponder on this for a day, or so. BTW, I would welcome any additional input before we come to a consensus. —RWSmith (Bureaucrat), 13:25, February 16, 2008 (EST)
I suggest to stick with the requirement and that it states "with the approval or your counselor or parent" Let them decide which is right for their scout ... for they know exactly what 'that' scout can handle - every kid is different and every family is different. My son has seen most of the movies posted already including the Patriot and Prince of Thieves. I think that we have to remember the 'range' of ages (11yrs to 18yrs) that we are working with as well .. the older boys can handle the PG13 and R ratings. I would like to add Remember the Titans to the list too. Seikooc 18:03, April 1, 2008 (EDT)

We now suggest literally dozens of movies (and links) rated no higher than PG-13. If the counselor wants the boys to watch something beyond PG-13, he should suggest that movie in consultation with the parents. But every counselor has had Scouts who watched a movie without waiting for counselor approval. This may be a 10 1/2 year old who has never before seen anything beyond PG-13. We do not want the allegation that the boy ended up watching a R-rated movie on the "pre-approved list." That is exactly what people call our list of movies. -- 21:52, September 28, 2008 Milominderbinder2

I would suggest removing Robin Hood. The nudity may be "brief", but it is graphic. It's also full of vulgarity, profanity, and sexuality (including the attempted rape of Marian). EagleForumFan
I would say remove it then. Like it not troops and even packs use this list as the "approved list" even though we never said that. The content has to be appropriate for a sheltered 5th grade boy scout or even a Cub Scout. — Milominderbinder2 (Sysop) 04:10, November 23, 2008 (EST)
I did not hear back from you but did research this movie and it is as you say, not appropriate. I removed it but added a half dozen other great PG movies to use instead. We now have well over 30 readily available movies with great themes and appropriate content.— Milominderbinder2 (Sysop) 17:04, November 24, 2008 (EST)
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